Interview Done by Darryl with Jack through the Portal
This is a continuation of Part 2, which can be found here.
From the previous part:
Jack: I needed her ‘at that point’. From a Certain Perspective, that ‘Relationship’ was ‘similar’ to what her parents had, but also ‘the Exact Opposite’. ‘The Exact Opposite’, from the perspective of it being ‘Physical Abuse’ and not ‘Emotional Abuse’. If she would have gone into a Relationship with like a guy who did only the ‘Emotional Abuse stuff’, I don’t know how that would have ‘turned out’ -- so I utilized ‘that point’ with regards to that Relationship to ‘get out’ that whole ‘Pre-Programmed Relationship Design’-thing, out of her.
Darryl: So you could see going to a point, but you could also see her Pre-Programmed Life as it would unfold, or aspects of it?
Jack: Yeah, I mean, ‘in the moment’ you can see that, as she progressed through ages, going through ages like from 0 to 7, 7 to 13, 13 to 18, 18 to 21, 21 to 28. ‘Phases’ open-up. So from 13 years old I could see ‘where’ the Relationship stuff was going and how the Inter-Relations between the parent thing started opening up, and I knew that I couldn’t have her ‘go that way’ or ‘that route’ because that would also take her into the System, take her into the Mind further, into the Unconscious into ‘binding’ her to this Whole World System. So that is a practical example of ‘how I contained her’.
Darryl: Gotcha.
Jack: So I ‘directed her’ towards a completely different relationship but it was still ‘similar’. It had to be similar in ‘some ways’, otherwise she wouldn’t have ‘connected’.
Darryl: So was the Ouija board a part of that?
Jack: Yeah, the Ouija board...those were originally Demons. That is where I got the idea of ‘Manifesting as a Demon’, when she started, when she was introduced to that whole ‘speaking to the... ‘
Darryl: The Gods, there was Isis, Thor...
Jack: Initially, I did not want to do that, I did not want to have ‘that relationship’, have her know that I was actually ‘directing her’ towards that ‘point’ that I saw in the beginning. Because that would mean ‘having to create a Personal Relationship’. I did not want to do that, because again, if I create a ‘Personal Relationship with her’ that would be ‘another point’ that she would have to Transcend within her Process, because ‘Personal Relationships’, again, create an ‘attachment’ which is ‘separation’ and all those type of things.
Darryl: How does that cause separation, I mean I can understand the attachment part?
Jack: Well again, see the point of relationship, what I mean by ‘relationship’ is her ‘having an attachment to me’.
Darryl: Right
Jack: And I couldn’t have her have an ‘attachment’ to me, or to anyone in this world. I had to have her be ‘completely alone’. Entirely, completely alone, no attachments, no relationships, no connections from the Mind Perspective. Because if she links into her Mind too much, then again there is ‘another big chance’ that she will go into the Subconscious and Unconscious and ‘integrate’ further into this World. So that was where I really ‘looked’ at finding ways to direct her, as me, to that ‘point’ - without Creating a Relationship.
Darryl: Just reducing her...
Jack: To have her have a ‘normal life’ you know, a “normal” – life, so that she is still ‘in this world’, but not ‘defined’, ‘connected’ or having a ‘relationship or attachment’ to this world or ‘anyone’ in this world. So, with her previous, with that whole ‘Abusive Relationship’ where I also stepped in as a Demon, she didn’t have a ‘connection’ to that guy, she didn’t have a ‘Relationship Attachment’ to that person. It was more, kind of done for her to have a ‘stable point’ in the Physical Reality, you know.
Darryl: You have to survive.
Jack: To survive and also to interact with someone, you know , ‘physically’ – to remember “Hey, you’re in the Physical”, you know. And at the same time, that person couldn’t be someone that was ‘connected’ to a relationship that would have been similar to her parents, so it was quite a difficult situation.
Darryl: Yeah
Jack: So with the Ouija board, when she started playing with the Ouija board...
Darryl: You said those were ‘other Demons’ that were speaking to her?
Jack: Yeah man, fuck…
Darryl: How did you get rid of them?
Jack: That was a ‘big, big problem’, because I attempted, I tried to not have her go that route, but fuck, her interest was ‘so great’, ‘so massive’...
Darryl: It was a carryover from her inability to get over the death of her father
Jack: I’d more say it was a point of ‘Individuality’ for her. ‘A point’ that she could use and say ‘This is me’, that she never had. She could never ‘find the point’ where she could say, you know, ‘This is me, this is what I enjoy, this is what I like’. She never had that, because of me – from a certain perspective, because I ‘knew’ what I had to do, and I did it ‘completely’. And so, from that perspective, the point of “I need something that I can say is who I am” opened up with the Wiccan and Ouija board experience.
Darryl: Did you see it coming?
Jack: No I didn’t
Darryl: So there is still some unpredictable...
Jack: Oh yeah, Absolutely. I wasn’t some ‘God’ inside her, knowing ‘what thought she was going to think next’, ‘what car is going to turn left or right in the next following moment’, you know. I only had ‘the Moment’. I walked ‘as’ Andrea, just as a more ‘Broadened Perspective’ of her so to speak.
So there, playing with the Ouija board and I thought ‘You know, this is going to be ‘harmless’, let her ‘play’’, you know. But then other Demons came in, they didn’t ‘see’ me inside her. I basically couldn’t be seen Interdimensionally because of my ‘emergence’ with her in the Physical, ‘so completely’, because I had been walking ‘with her’, ‘in her’, ‘as her’ since the age of four.
Darryl: That is dedication, I mean; in Earth Years - did you ‘experience it’ as Earth Years?
Jack: Yes, ‘every moment’, that is what I walked ‘completely’, and then Demons came. I really looked at it as being ‘harmless’, because Ouija boards usually didn’t ‘work’, from the perspective that it was just beings ‘shifting’ the stuff mostly by their own Minds, and stuff coming through that was ‘suppressed inner fears’ and stuff like that. That was most Ouija board situations. Not many Demons or ‘Spiritual Beings’ came to speak through the Ouija board because that was the most ‘boring thing’ to do in Existence for them. It was really boring ‘shifting down’, ‘coming into a Being’, going ‘g-g-g’ (shows with hand the moving of the coin on Ouija board).
Secondly, understand that it was only Demons and Demons only that had ‘access’ into the Physical -- from the perspective of being able to ‘take over’ a being ‘so completely’ and actually ‘moving their hands’ and having such a ‘physical effect’.
The Dimensional Beings, like the ‘Guides’, and the ‘Angels’ and things like that - did not have that ‘ability’, they never had. They only had the point of ‘moving into the head region’, ‘chest region’ and that is it.
It’s like with ‘Channelers’ for example, the only place you would ever ‘find’ a Guide or a Channel, or Angels is with Channelers and Psychics. That’s it – Channelers and Psychics. Never did they actually ‘merge’ or ‘integrate with the Physical’ because they were too shit scared that they would get ‘stuck’ in it. Demons were the only ones that were here in the Physical, in the Physical Plane. So, like ‘Ghosts’ and ‘Apparitions’, all those type of things – everything was Demons, before 1998.
Darryl: Ghosts were Demons?
Jack: Yeah, like when they saw, I mean people who saw Ghosts before 1998 – the Demons did that stuff, and that was ‘real’.
Darryl: They were just playing around?
Jack: Yeah
Darryl: And they weren’t trapped in...
Jack: No
Darryl: People think Ghosts are like these ‘obsessed spirits’ that can’t cross over
Jack: No (laughs)
Darryl: They would have to re-write the whole book on metaphysics then
Jack: Yeah, Demons were quite ‘free’. They roamed the Physical as their Domain. They had a ‘choice’ to go into the Heavens or not, but the Heavens did not want the Demons because they were ‘shit scared’ of the Demons. And yes, I mean - of course there were Beings that were ‘lost’ in the Demon Dimension. Meaning, where you would for example ‘hear voices’ or ‘see apparitions of children’ and it is fascinating, because mostly children were lost, they were like ‘really lost’. They would kind of like ‘appear’ with like their teddy bear or asking for their mom or their parents. That’s children that died in very traumatic situations where the trauma was ‘so extensive’ within them, that they crossed over to the Demon Dimension because their trauma was ‘too extensive’ to be contained in the Heavens.
In Heaven, you were ‘pure energy’, ‘pure vibration’, you were ‘pure frequency’. It contained no ‘hint’ of Emotional or Feeling Trauma, so you had to be a ‘kind of being’ to be able to go up to the Heavens, where ‘normal’ Beings were that were ‘not Demons’. And there were a lot of children in the Demon Dimensions that were lost for a long, long time. There were children from the 1400’s, 1200’s, 1100’ss, walking around like “Where’s my mom, where’s my mom, I lost her at sea, can you find my mom?” – Stuff like that.
Then you had the ‘other’ Demons that were lost as well – men, women, all Beings that died of ‘real extensive trauma’, that their ‘Very Being’ was ‘Trauma’, pain, agony, sadness, this Emotion and Feeling ‘surge’ and they would cross over to the Demon Dimension
Darryl: How was the demon dimension created?
Jack: Let’s see, in the Reincarnation Cycles where Beings were ‘placed’ into the Reincarnation System where you experience ‘a Life on Earth’, you ‘Crossed-over’, got into the Dimensions, were ‘allocated another Life’, got into Earth, lived your Life, ‘Crossed-over’ and got into the Dimensions, back to Earth – that whole Cycle.
They sometimes used One Being for similar lives or having the exact same lives, or they swapped Three Different Beings between those lives. So, they would use Three Beings for One, for the exact same life, or just One Being for the exact same life. But in that equation, there were some lives that were not ‘definitively certain’. Like for example, they couldn’t always ‘particularly’, ‘specifically’ Program for example, a robber walking into a house, or a man suddenly unexpectedly going mad – where the Mind Consciousness System kind of ‘tweaked off’ somewhere, or ‘dysfunctioned’ -- and he’d enter a family’s house and start shooting them. Such stuff they did not have ‘control’ over, so what they is do create a ‘Demon Dimension’.
What would happen is, if a Being ‘crossed over’ in a ‘state’ where they would for example, see where their child is being raped in front of them – where it was not Pre-Programmed into their Life Experience through their Mind consciousness System, it would actually ‘target’ their ‘Very Being’ and their ‘Very Being’ would be ‘filled’ with this Traumatic Energy that would consist of the ‘Whole Pain’, the ‘Anger’… It would ‘penetrate’ into their Being instead of going through their Mind consciousness System.
Darryl: They would become that.
Jack: They would literally ‘become’ that Anger because they’d, as ‘the Being’ experience it instead of through the Mind consciousness System, because it was not ‘Pre-Programmed’.
Darryl: So it was like a ‘glitch’ in the System.
Jack: Yes, it was a ‘glitch’ in the System. Such Beings would then ‘integrate’ into the Demon Dimension because they could not be ‘contained’. They would ‘influence’ the Vibration and the ‘Purity’ of the Dimensional Planes where the ‘Angels’ and the ‘Guides’ roamed – so to speak. So that was the story with the Demon Dimension.
Darryl: Okay, so you weren’t – before you noticed Andrea, you weren’t floating in the Demon Dimension, were you?
Jack: Yeah - I was, actually.
Darryl: Were there different planes in the Demon Dimension?
Jack: No.
Darryl: Was it ‘overlaid’ over the Earth Plane?
Jack: Yeah. It was. You had ‘the Physical’, then you had ‘the Demon Dimension’, then you had ‘the Dimensional Planes’, which was where the Guides and the Angels and the ‘Holy Master’ Beings and the ‘Pure Beings’ would move into.
Darryl: Did every planet have that kind of construct, or only Earth?
Jack: Only Earth, because this was the whole ‘Enslavement Design’ of Anu.
Darryl: So you are confronted with this Ouija board scenario which sort of popped up. “Now, jeez... what’s gonna happen here?” You see these Demons, they’re like talking to her through the Ouija board.
Jack: Yeah.
Darryl: They should have been bored and just like, let her alone. But no, they’re involved. If Demons do become involved in the Ouija board communication, is that dangerous?
Jack: (Chuckles) Understand, that there is never ‘danger’ to Self, meaning --‘Who we Really Are’ -- that doesn’t exist. However, in this world, in the Physical, in ‘existing through the Mind Consciousness System’, through the Mind (this now before the year 1998), yes! I mean, Demons could really ‘screw you up’ very well. Very easily. Very quickly.
They had ‘all access’ into your Mind. They had ‘all access’ into the Physical. They could give you ‘shortness of breath’, they could ‘stop your heart’, or ‘drive you insane’. They could create ‘split personalities’ in seconds, in moments. And you’d be... you’d be ‘gone’.
I know that, because I did that as well, as a Demon. I saw Demons do that. And so, from a certain perspective, it’s fascinating why people fear Demons; because ‘Demons’ present ‘Death’.
Darryl: Well, it’s also destruction, total annihilation, destruction of a form, yeah? The Human form.
Jack: Yeah, Beings Fear death. And Demons presented that Fear to them, basically: the Fear of Death. Because of that point of ‘Possession’. ‘Possession’ means ‘Death’. Because the “I” of the Mind dies, because the Demon can take that over ‘completely’. That point of “Fear of Death” of the “I” of the Mind, the ‘Personality of the Mind’, is what ‘fears’ demons, actually.
Darryl: I see, I see...
Jack: Because the Demon can, kind of, ‘kill’ that Personality of the Mind for a moment, through ‘Possessing’ the Mind. And so, it was not ‘the Being’ who was ever ‘Possessed’. It was always the Mind. The Beings would always ‘exist’ through the Mind, and so they ‘believe’ they’re Being ‘Possessed’.
Darryl: So, people aren’t in danger...
Jack: No. No, not anymore. I mean, they ‘really screwed around’. Especially the ones that wanted to take Revenge, to ‘lash out their Anger’. But mainly, Demons just fucked around. Because they could. And they were kind of ‘in the faces’ of the Angels and Guides, because the Angels and Guides feared Demons.
Darryl: I envision the Demon Dimension as “the rough part of town.”
Jack: Um, yeah.
Darryl: Were there groups? Were the Demons all united? Or were they like... different groups, or loners?
Jack: Some alone. ‘Body-Hoppers’ were mainly alone. Body-Hoppers were Demons who ‘hopped’ from one body to the next. They’d get their ‘fix’ from a Being ‘murdering’ another Being. Then they ‘hop’ into another body - say a rapist. Then ‘into another one’ - a guy shooting someone, and etcetera, etcetera.
Body-Hoppers were loners. You had Demons that... ‘flocked together in groups’, so to speak. The most would be seven or eight in a group, but not more.
Darryl: Interesting.
Jack: Yeah.
Darryl:: Because, like, the ancient Babylonians and the Assyrians – the ancient Near East civilizations, Mesopotamia, said that there were seven major Demons that were in charge of all the evil in the world. So, you’d have to have incantations, amulets and all these things to ward them off. Because they could make your life miserable.
Jack: Oh, yeah. They could. But I mean, they didn’t particularly ‘enjoy’ staying with One Being for years. They did the ‘quick stuff’. They would take a Being’s ‘Anger’, and ‘Possess them for a moment’, kill another Being and then go out. ‘Suck up’ all that Anger in that moment.
So, as we’ve said in the interviews and stuff, like, Beings that sometimes said, “I did not know what I had done. I cannot remember. I can’t recall,” there were many of those before the nineties.
Darryl: I’ve heard a lot of those stories.
Jack: Some of them are actually real, because it was Demons that ‘Possessed’ them. And had their ‘fix’.
Darryl: So, you decided that you had to become a Demon to keep Andrea stable?
Jack: Well, she was playing with the Ouija board and I was in her. But I didn’t ‘do’ anything, okay? So, the two (Demons) were moving the plectrum around, and all of a sudden, these two came ‘inside’ Andrea’s body. They started moving around. I didn’t see them coming. They just came out of ‘nowhere’. And I was like, “Oh, fuck. Shit! What do I do now?” because the last thing I want to do, is have her be exposed to the Interdimensional Existence. Because, oh my god, the place was a ‘fuck up beyond measure’. And I knew the ‘deception’ of the Angels, the ‘deception’ of the Guides. How they would ‘deliberately’ fuck with Beings to make sure Beings stay in their ‘Pre-Programmed Life Design’. That stuff I knew.
But, the ‘specifics’ of a Being’s Pre-Programmed Life – that, I didn’t know. So, I didn’t ‘know’ the specifics of Andrea’s Pre-Programmed Life. That would just ‘open up’ as the Phases would go, and the moments I would walk with her.
So, I didn’t want her near Angels, I didn’t want her near Guides... because of that whole deception around that was going with that. The Dimensions was the most Deceptive Place in Existence. And the Demons were, let’s say, ‘more real’, because they were ‘Real Beings’ having ‘Real Experiences’, and they didn’t ‘deceive’. Meaning, they didn’t ‘deliberately’ deceive Beings... they just fucked. (Chuckles). They weren’t ‘part’ of the Whole Existence System with regards to Anu, the Mind, the Pre-Programmed Lives and shit like that.
Darryl: And they had no numerical advantage against Heaven? Because there were so many more Beings in Heaven?
Jack: Well, even if there were ‘only five Demons’, ALL of the Dimensions would have feared only ‘those five’. Because if a Demon would go into the Dimensions, they would fuck up the Whole Dimensions in ‘one moment’, because of the ‘extent’ of the Emotional and Feeling ‘Charge’ that they exist as.
Darryl: That would be like Kryptonite or something.
Jack: Yeah. It would ‘change’ the ‘Vibration Frequency’; the ’Sound of the Dimensions’ to such an extent, they would ‘disorient’ everything. So, there was kind of like a ‘silent agreement’: “Demons, you stay away from us, we’ll stay away from you.” That’s also why Anu allowed Demons access into the Physical. He just said, “Okay, fine. Go.” Because he did not want the Demons to ‘disturb’ the Dimensional Existence. Because if ONE Demon went in there, ‘everything’ would be in ruins. ––
Darryl: Amazing.
Jack: Yeah.
Darryl: It was that fragile?
Jack: Very. Very, because the Dimensions were set in a ‘Frequency’, in a ‘Sound’, a ‘Vibration’. And a ‘very, very Fine Light Vibration’. And the Demons existed as a ‘Manifested, Physical, Resonating Energy’. The Dimensions did not exist of ‘Energy’. And if an ‘Energy’ ‘penetrates’ ‘Vibration’, it has a complete, ‘disorientating effect’. Because ‘Energy’ is more ‘potent’ than Vibration itself. Energy is ‘Manifested Vibration’, Vibration is still in its ‘free form’. Whereas in Energy it’s ‘Manifested, Physical Form’. So as ‘Physical Manifested Energy –
Darryl: Is intense, yeah.
Jack: Yeah, that ‘Intenseness’ would ‘influence’ the Vibration of the Dimensions. So, ‘nothing may ‘disturb’ the Vibrations of the Dimensions’. So that’s why Anu said, “Fine,” and basically, the Demons also brought kind of a ‘different’, ‘more exciting scenario’ into Earth, you know. Keeping Beings preoccupied with the whole religion thing, and have fun with the Exorcism.